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Threshold for students included in reporting of postsecondary accountability results
Posted by arichards on March 19, 2012Indicators
The Design Team discussed the following definition of students who would be included in accountability reporting:

"Students who have earned at least 12 cumulative credits (or equivalent) in a state-approved career preparation program or completed a state approved career preparation program of less than 12 credits (or equivalent) by the end of the reporting year."
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tcooley
I'm satisfied with the threshold as stated. One of the discussions we've had as a state is whether all courses should be counted toward the 12 cumulative credits or whether this should just include technical courses. Our thinking is that any courses designated as comprising a career preparatory program should be counted. Doing otherwise would be problematic given our state's reporting system.
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dwells
As with secondary, we are strong supporters of establishing a national minimum standard by which states can define a concentrating student at the postsecondary level and we support the proposed threshold; however, it is our recommendation that the terminology of Concentrator remain as the name of the students that achieve the dosage required to be considered committed or what is being called ‘accountably enrolled’. We feel that the term is well known and understood. It is a part of the fabric and understanding of CTE and the designed and guided progression of a student. Additionally, as this term is in the mindset of stakeholders, it is also in publications and literature.
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sparke

For the group's consideration . . .

For the threshold concept including both a level of engagement and intensity helps include those individuals who are actively engaged in the CTE educational process. Adding that the 12 college level credits (engagement) are earned in one (1) fiscal year helps limit the group to individuals with a minimal level of intensity to their studies (the low end of half time enrollment during a fiscal year.)

Including completers of programs below 12 credits works. Completers are our "finished products" who have successfully finished the scope and sequence of the program as the faculty designed it.

Other perspectives are welcome. -- Scott Parke, Illinois
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Gary Gomes
• Will the 12 credit threshold include 50% of all courses students take as part of their program of study, including general study courses, or just the CTE courses? Since CTE courses are the distinguishing elements of a CTE program, Massachusetts supports enrollment in 50% of CTE courses to be used as the threshold.
• A CTE program of study could be defined as the entire program of study sequence the student takes from high school through postsecondary education. If we use a cohort model for enrollments (only students in CTE cohorts in high school would be allowed into CTE courses in college), how would the CTE program of study be defined for postsecondary students (based on CTE core courses only; general studies plus CTE core courses; pre-college courses (remediation plus General Studies plus core CTE courses).
• If we adopt a cohort model, can dislocated workers be enrolled in CTE courses at all? Maybe there needs to be different model cohorts?
• If a student changes concentration from CTE to Non CTE or other CTE programs after meeting the 12 credits threshold, how will the student be counted?
• As stated above, what if the high school and postsecondary coursework are unrelated? Should the student be counted as a postsecondary students even if there is no link between the high school and postsecondary programs?
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cwiseley
I agree about the 12 credits as an indicator of concentration. We have used the concentrator threshold since the early 90s because faculty all agreed that four courses in their program would impact student outcomes in employment and earnings where six to nine may not. I do not agreed that we should limit it to a single year as we are experiencing dramatic cuts to courses and would eliminate most of our cohorts. Even two years was too little time even when course offerings were abundant.
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cwiseley
I would also suggest that these 12 credits be in CTE coursework as we are looking at CTE programs that, in California, often don't require gen ed for the certificate as we have integrated academic rigor into our CTE and vice versa.
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pmikos
We support the 12 credit threshold and do not approve programs with less than 12 credits.
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burkerp96
We agree with the 12 credits, however, it should include both academic and technical. Our population could be extremely small if we only counted technical courses and excluded the academic. Academics have a very strong impact on how well some students actually do in technical courses. It could also take some students a year or two to even take the technical courses.

A comprise might be 12 credits with at least 1 technical course being taken.
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burkerp96
Note that the discussions are being held by the Office of Vocational and Adult Education
over the Division of Academic and Technical Education
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burkerp96
"Career and technical programs of study" that incorporate secondary and postsecondary elements; include coherent and rigorous content aligned with challenging academic standards and relevant career and technical contents in a coordinated, non-duplicative progression of courses that align secondary to postsecondary education; may include opportunity for secondary education students to gain postsecondary education credits through dual or concurrent enrollment programs or other means; and lead to an industry-recognized credential or certificate at the postsecondary level or an associate or baccalaureate degree.
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burkerp96
requires inclusion of coherent and rigous content aligned with challenging academic standards and relevant care and technical contents.. - academic courses should be included in the 12 credit threshhold.
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bnicol
What is the application of "12 credits" to non-degree, clock hour institutions that receive Perkins funds? And on what length should a program be based? 450 hours, 600 Pell eligible hours? there are many valid state approved, industry credential programs that are well below 450 hours, shouldn't those be reported?

It's a difference in capturing and reporting educational progress and achievement data and reporting workforce/industry progress and achievement data.
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