The Design Team discussed the following measure and measurement approach for the rate of employment of secondary students.
Measure: Percentage of accountably enrolled students who graduated from high school, did not enroll in postsecondary education in the following reporting year, and who were employed or in the military at any time during the following reporting year.
Numerator: Students who completed at least 50 percent of a state-approved career preparation program by the end of the reporting year, received a high school diploma or equivalent, were not found enrolled in a postsecondary institution the U.S. in the following reporting year, and were found to be employed at any time in the following reporting year.
Denominator: Students who completed at least 50 percent of a state-approved career preparation program by the end of the reporting year, received a high school diploma or equivalent, and were not found enrolled in a postsecondary institution the U.S. in the following reporting year.
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Rate of Employment for Secondary Students
Posted by arichards on March 19, 2012Indicators
jkrollMarch 29, 2012
This measure should include all "accountably enrolled" students, not just those who were not found to be in postsecondary education. One advantage that secondary CTE provides students is the opportunity to obtain higher paying jobs while continuing their educations. These employed students would not be included in the percent of employed students under the definition above. Also, I don't remember that the design discussed excluding students enrolled in postsecondary education from the percent of student who are employed. Since there was some discussion regarding a desire to have the secondary and postsecondary measures be parallel, I want to mention that I also think all "accountably enrolled" students should be counted in the postsecondary employment measure as well--not just those not currently enrolled in continuing education.
bwilsonApril 18, 2012
This comment is the same as made regarding the post-secondary employment measure. To count employment at any time during the following reporting year is setting a very low bar for this measure. For example, a single day working on a summer job would count as would the temporary continuation of a part-time job that someone had while they were a student. There are at least two problems with setting the bar so low. First, it could draw into question the credibility of the measure as an accountability tool. Second, it could make it difficult to use the measure as a program improvement tool because the results would likely be too uniformly high. An alternative would be to measure employment during a single post-exit quarter. The single best quarter would probably be the second quarter after exit since for the majority of graduates it would not count summer only employment or the mere continuation of a part-time job someone had while they were a student, and there is not a strong enough reason to delay finding out the results by picking a later quarter.
jhaighApril 20, 2012
Brian,
By second quarter after graduation (probably June graduation) would that be the October-December quarter measured after December?
By second quarter after graduation (probably June graduation) would that be the October-December quarter measured after December?
dwellsApril 25, 2012
We support the notion of capturing the employment data during the second quarter after exit.
Gary GomesApril 26, 2012
From Masachusetts:
• Since different parts of the state differ in terms of overall employment growth and industrial profiles, will there be exemptions for high wage, high growth occupations based upon local labor markets?
• How will the federal government help ensure that services are offered to students who live in more economically depressed areas that do not have high wage, high demand job openings?
• Since different parts of the state differ in terms of overall employment growth and industrial profiles, will there be exemptions for high wage, high growth occupations based upon local labor markets?
• How will the federal government help ensure that services are offered to students who live in more economically depressed areas that do not have high wage, high demand job openings?
bwilsonApril 30, 2012
John,
Yes, the 2nd quarter after exit for secondary students would be the October 1 - December 31 calendar quarter. Whether it is measured by a match with UI wage records or by a survey, the indicator would be measured after December 31.
Yes, the 2nd quarter after exit for secondary students would be the October 1 - December 31 calendar quarter. Whether it is measured by a match with UI wage records or by a survey, the indicator would be measured after December 31.
jkrollMay 22, 2012
There may need to be a careful definition of "employed" specific to the data source. A survey question can be designed to ask about current state and asked at a particular point in time ("are you currently employed?" asked between Oct and Dec), or can be designed to ask about a time period retrospectively, ("were you employed for at least x consecutive days during the months of oct, nov, dec?"). UI wage records may have other ways to determine "employed."
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